‘Homosexuality Is Very African As Much As It Is Nigerian.’ – Bisi Alimi speaks

bisiNigeria’s foremost gay activist, Bisi Alimi delivered a lecture two days ago ‘Post-colonial sexual identity and orientation in Nigeria’ at Free University in Berlin, Germany where he said homosexuality is very African as much as it is Nigerian. Below is an extract from his paper:

Even though Nigeria has recently seen a more active conversation around the issue of sexuality and gender, these conversations are played out on the premise of sentiments, morality, religion and assumptions rather than on facts. But it is facts and not assumption that can put things into perspective.

The argument against homosexuality in Nigeria has been on the premise that it is “un-African” and hence not part of our culture. The other premise used is that since it is not part of our culture, therefore it is “un-biblical”.

Since the introduction of modern religion into Africa, there has been confusion between the real African identity vs. enforced identity.

This confusion has also found its way into the discourse around cultural identity. The modern understanding of what really is an “African culture” has created a basis for identity misunderstanding not just in Nigeria, but the whole of Africa.

It was not only religion that played a role in the misconstruction of “African Culture” in the 21st century. With the coming of colonizing, African identities were systematically washed away. Africans were made to believe through western education, politics and religion that anything African is not fit for purpose and therefore demonized in most of the cases.

However, unlike culture, identity is more on a personal individualist level. Identity could be strongly interwoven with culture.

I remembered when I first came to the United Kingdom, as a Nigerian. There are certain things in my culture that were not permitted within the English culture. For example, the English could not understand why I have to eat certain food with my fingers.

However, that lack of cultural understanding has not taken away from me my gender identity as a man nor has it eroded my sexual identity as a gay man.

Therefore, how then does the argument used by Nigerian religious and political class as regards sexuality and gender fit into the actualization of fundamental human rights for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) people?

Prior to colonization, there are evidences to prove that Africa was never a “heteronomative” society. In “African Sexualities: A Reader”, Sylvia Tamale argues: “African sexuality lies in ancient histories that live through girot, ighyuwas, imbongies, jellies, igawens, guewels”.

As a young child with deep interest in my culture, I was really fascinated at the eloquences with which histories are passed on from generation to generations in Africa through the power of poetry and oration.

I remembered in 2005, as part of my research in sexuality and sexual identity, I came across the famous word “Adodi”. This translates as “anus fucker”. The fact that there is a language for sexual behaviour explains that there are indeed people that are considered as such.

Aside from that, many of African arts (it is important to note here that while Africans were never seen as writers, the one fact that can never be taken away from us is that fact that we are artists. We tell the story of our lives through our sculpture, painting and drawing), have shown the celebration of same sexual relationship before the colonization of the continent.

African arts has had huge influence on the Greek art and even more so the Roman arts. These arts that not only promote but celebrate sexuality has African culture and identity at its core. From Igbo Ukwu, to Benin and Ife art, Nigerian art works celebrate the existence of same sexual relationship, not as seen as “homosexuality” in modern terms, but as a process of nurturing the acceptance of dualism of sexuality.

In religious setting, most Nigerian gods actually have dual sexes. Take for example ESU who is neither man nor woman, male or female. Sango, the god of thunder is dressed as transvestites, wearing skirts with earrings on both ears and braided hair. Obatala, though a male god, is subtle, emotional and sexual.

Even more interesting are the female gods. Oya the goddess of the ocean and Yemoja the mermaid are said to have used their sexuality to conquer men. They were not just seductive, but they exhibited a level of romantic affinity for each other.

Then the question will be, what happened? Ben Anderson in “The Politics of Homosexuality in Africa” examined the written literature of colonial observation of same sexual relationship in Africa. According to him, examples of famous western sexuality historians like Staples, Davies and Whitten tend to disregard pre-colonial homosexuality in Africa as a forced, accidental ‘phase’ rather than a cognitive choice”.

Anderson noted that in an article in 1982, Lamb argued, “it is curious by Western standards that homosexuality in Africa is virtually unknown.” He stated further that “Africa’s tradition is rigidly heterosexual”.

As a student of African sexuality and gender identity, I know this is not true. I am not alone in my argument, Dr. C. Otutubikey Izugbara in a paper titled “Patriarchal Ideology and Discourses of Sexuality in Nigeria” explained that “evidence, indeed suggests that, in many cases, homosexual practices, while not always explicitly discussed or identified as such in larger public imaginary were often treated with more tolerance in pre-colonial Nigeria than during and after colonial period”.

In the book “The Origins and Role of Same Sex Relations in Human Societies”, James Neil buttressed my earlier assertion that in Nigeria homosexuality is rooted in our traditional religious believe. He stated, “members of a spirit possession cult among the Hausa in northern Nigeria practices cross-dressing and take the passive role in homosexual intercourse”.

Lyn Ossome in her contribution to Queer African Reader edited by Sokari Ekine and Hakima Abbas further dismissed the perceived westernization of homosexuality on the continent of Africa. In a contribution, she argued that the notion that “there is no homosexuality in Africa” is a false claim “often accompanied by the similarity insidious accusation that homosexuality is a ‘western perversion’ imposed upon or adopted by African population”.

In the book “The Construction of Homosexuality”, Greenburg documented the existence of same sexual relationship in diverse African communities including Nigeria. Also Davis and co. in “The Cross-Cultural Study of Human Sexuality: Annual review of Anthropology” argued that “a wide variety of homosexual behaviour is reported”, they also documented “the use of artificial phalli” between two women as a “compensation for rare heterosexual intercourse”.

Two notable anthropologists have not only documented behaviours, but they have also shown acceptance even to the level of marriage. First of such is William Naphy in his well-written book “Born to be Gay”. In it, Naphy captured the process of same gender marriage with the medium of paying bride price. He claimed, “it is clear that customs involving woman-woman ‘marriages’ (in which case bride-price and dowries may exchange hands) is extensive”. He dismissed argument against same sex relations in Africa as ‘ludicrous and to suggest that a practice which is so widespread and yet differently constructed is anything but indigenous. Even more so Naphy considered any argument by white Europeans against the exhibition of same sex relations between Africans as racism.

Another interesting take on beyond sexual behaviour to actual exhibition of relationship is ‘Boy wives ad female husband’. According to Anderson, this book in its research “also effectively demonstrates the existence of same sex love before the arrival of the white settlers”.

But let us for a second agree with the proposition of Staples that exhibition of same sexual behaviour in pre-colonial Nigeria was a phase. The question we then have to ask is: where did they learn this phase? Who and what influenced the occurrence of this phase among what the western academia will refer as “primitive” people.

There are possibly two answers to these questions. It is either we argue that Africans are of lesser human and therefore happened to experiment occasional sexuality, or that actually, homosexuality like every other human traits is inherent in all people irrespective of race, gender, or age.

If you agree with me that homosexuality is very African as much as it is Nigerian, then the argument put forward by both the western and the African opposition to homosexual behaviour is flawed.

Based on the above explanation and argument, I will say that homosexuality is well rooted in the core of Nigerian society and identity.

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  1. Yemie

     /  December 21, 2013

    Pele o, Bisi; may the Good Lord open our eyes of understanding and direct us in deciphering what’s right and wrong. It is well.

    If everyone were gay though, the human race woulda long ceased to exist. I wish they could just ponder and think along this line, before deciding to engage in such acts. May God help us all.

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    • Hal

       /  December 22, 2013

      Thinking in your line. Can we all be frenzied uninhibited heterosexuals too… So we don’t go extinct. We will use contraception so we don’t get overcrowded either. Nopes. I guess you’ll put a limit to that too. Sure you’ll mention God again. Who knows, God may help homosexuals as part of your “us” assertion. Pele O Yemie!

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      • anyibaba

         /  December 22, 2013

        Hahahahahaha.
        I’m quite surprised though i did not see many comments on this.
        Would have been nice to read the many diverse replies on how God would do this and Satan would do that, always polarizing.

      • Yemie

         /  December 22, 2013

        Hey Hal, I’ve stated my case and if it does not augur well with you, then that’s your beeswax. Now, homosexuality is a means of controlling the world population abi? Na u sabi and ‘pele o’.

      • anyibaba

         /  December 22, 2013

        But Bisi in this article is not saying everybody is or should be gay. He is saying some have been before and some are still are.
        He is trying to say the idea that some people believe its not African is absurd.
        Its not about controlling population explosion and i doubt that’s what Hal was talking about too, notice the sarcasm he used.
        But don’t stop on my account, please continue this discussion. Like i said, polarizing!!!

      • Hal

         /  December 22, 2013

        Sexuality is dimensional. We cluster heterosexuals, homosexuals, transsexuals, bisexuals on one end and then paraphilics, people with sexual dysfunction and sex addicts on the other end… that’s for your extreme religious miseducation anyways . Overlaps occur though. Where you belong is your own “beeswax” But we won’t tolerate a homosexual discriminate against a heterosexual on the basis of sexuality alone and vice versa as they all belong to the same side in this “ungodly” but sexy spectrum. Picture a predominantly homosexual world where you’re being stigmatized because you’re not straight (in this case straight is being gay) and condemned to their own Hell by their own God? Humanism transcends all this discrimination. Embrace it. That’s what I’m talking. You don’t have to kick a gay ass just like you don’t have to kiss it!

    • Jide Delano

       /  December 22, 2013

      yemie everyone can never be gay. Variation is a principle in science. some are straight; some are gay. using the words right & wrong in a sentence about sexuality shows you are limited by your perspective.

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  2. Chisom12

     /  December 22, 2013

    The humanists are at it again. I am very sorry that this should be considered news. Suddenly now, we are having this unnatural movement bringing up arguments that are half truths and trying by all manners of persuasion and manipulation possible to convert Africa to homosexualism. No! Homosexualism is neither Nigerian nor African. Who is Mr Bisi deceiving? Where acts of homosexualism were done in precolonial Africa it was often associated with cultic rites and rituals, it has never been practised as an open ‘normal’ human interaction as today’s homosexual community is pushing for it to become. Africa and indeed Nigeria has always believed in man meets woman, woman meets man. Never man meets man!
    Going to a different angle to argue the ridiculosity of this perveted lifestyle the west is trying to force down Africa’s throat, it is very clear that those pushing for homosexualism have lost their sense of deduction. When you see the anatomy of a man and woman, you need no professor of science to tell you that sexual copulation can only occur between a man and woman. There is no natural design that suggests even faintly that a man should have sexual intimacy with another man nor woman with another woman! Even in animals, the mate across the sexes not along one sex. It is therefore not only wrong, it is also fundamentally perverted and everyone who has a mouth to speak against it should never keep silent.
    Again, we hear these proponents of homosexualism and all other sexual perversion claim that they have a right to do with their bodies what they will. While that may be true at some level of human existence, they must understand that to ask other members of society to make laws allowing for this as normal is not just asking for too much, but is also asking that society destroy itself by itself. There are abominations that may be going on in a community in isolated occurences but the moment society adopts it as a way of life, all hell breaks loose. If we tow this line, hear, there shall come a day when paedophiles will ask for their rights to ‘express their sexual orientation’, and our children will be sacrificed on the altar of this great evil. In case you think this isn’t already happening and humanistic scientists aren’t already bringing up ‘proof’ to support the argument of the paedophiles, think again. Here is a website that tells of that: http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/news/pedophiles-call-for-same-rights-as-homosexuals/
    I will not keep silent in declaring that homosexualism and lesbianism and bisexualism and transgenderism and all other forms of sexual perversions are wrong. And I beg as many who have the same understanding to be silent no more. It doesn’t mean hate for those who practise these things, but our speaking up means that human beings still have a moral conscience and it is my prayer that those who practise them get to see clearer and desist immediately. And yes, may GOD open our eyes of understanding.

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    • Yemie

       /  December 22, 2013

      Chisom 12, where have you been all my life??? You rock big time. LOL!.

      Am totally in support of all the points you’ve so carefully stated especially the one ’bout animals mating across genders and not along. Its so glaring that even animals, who are considered ‘brainless’, actually do have more brains than most humans, they’re not homosexuals and neither are they transgendered.

      God will save us from all these demonic humanists and make straight their twisted, crooked minds. We can only but pray for them.

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      • Hal

         /  December 22, 2013

        It’s not hard to see Chisom rock Yemie’s world with his remarks. Hahaha.

  3. Bisi Alimi is not shoving anything down anybody’s throat. He’s simply trying to refute the notion that some people preach about homosexuality being a scourge of the West inflicted on Africa. As though Africa is a singular entity beleaboured by the stigma known as homosexuality. Africa isn’t an entity. Its made up of people. People with diverse characteristics. And I resent the patronizing stand some people take when they turn up their noses and say ‘If you’re gay, its evil. Simply change. Come out of it.’ You don’t get to say that when you don’t know the private battles these individuals fight. Its not even a luxury to be gay, so why would anyone want to subject himself or herself to something that only gets him or her scorn from the society? The answer is simple. That is who he or she is. Its what makes him or her happy,and as long as he’s not hurting anyone, isn’t it hypocritical to ask for change, when daily, we preach about people finding happiness in being themselves?
    My stand is, homophobes don’t have to like homosexuality. But don’t turn gay people into lepers because of your distaste.

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  4. Dear all, I hardly comment on blog post, news or report that has to do with me as I see it as influencing public opinion and that is not part of my calling.
    That said, like it has been noted in the comments above, my intention as a scholar was never to force homosexuality on anyone. My intention was simply to prove that it is fallacy that homosexuality is unAfrican and there not part of Nigeria culture. In my research, one this that come back to me strongly as unAfrican and therefore not Nigerian was the foreign religion we have taken so strongly to, that is Christian and Islam.
    I plan to follow up on that issue when I present my next public talk on religion and Nigerian culture identity in 21st century.
    Thank you
    Bisi Alimi

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  5. Chisom12

     /  December 22, 2013

    I want to respond to some of the points raised by Shakespareanwalter. Thank you for the opportunity your comment has given to expand on this issue of homosexualism. You have said a number of things and I hope to touch on them all.
    Firstly, it may seem as though Mr Bisi is ‘not shoving anything down’ Africa’s throat, but if you follow the trend of the homosexual community and its supporters, you’ll realise that they always start with subtleties that can be as harmless as delivering an ‘academic’ paper. Whereas it is a calculated effort to desensitize the society and shove down it’s throat that which should never be there. It may seem that Mr Bisi is coming from the academic/intellectual angle, but I have read of many in the west who are near militant in their push for homosexualism. Are we not seeing the new trend in hollywood where anyone who ever publicly denounces homosexualism is ostracised and ganged up against? You can call up many names who once spoke against homosexualism but are coming now to recant after being ‘dealt’ with by the powers that be in Hollywood (note that these powerful people are huge supporters of homosexualism). Isn’t that more like the homosexuals treating people who disagree with them as lepers? Isn’t that an effective way of ‘shoving’ their lifestyle down the throat of others? The situation is becoming such that in the west you cannot even disagree with homosexualism. In fact, there are politically correct ways of speaking about this now, otherwise, the amount of verbal diatribe you would face would be unimaginable. It is becoming impossible to have an honest opinion disagreeing with the lifestyle because once you disagree, you are shouted down or called a hater. And that is what they want to introduce in Africa.
    Secondly, yes, homosexualism is wrong. And since it is an abberation of the normal, it is indeed evil. I’m sorry it may sound harsh, but it is the truth. It grates against the very soul of it’s practitioners. However, that does not mean that homosexuals should be killed or treated as less than humans. They need help with discovering God’s true purpose and understanding what sexualism is all about. They need everyone’s help.
    You know, it’s one thing to do wrong but with shamefacedness knowing you ought not be doing so, but it is entirely another matter to continue in wrongdoing and even demand that society sanction it. That is the crux of this whole homosexualism movement: to have society endorse the perversion.
    Thirdly, It is true that the homosexuals who are willing to admit it are fighting grave private battles, one in which their souls are in constant struggle trying not to allow the anomaly called homosexualism engulf them. I pray they never allow it.
    Fourthly, It is rather simplistic to say that it is ok to do whatever makes one happy so long as he is not hurting anyone. I say this because then we can tell governments especially those efficient ones abroad to stop bothering with what is sold at fast food centres, afterall, since those who patronise them are adults, they can eat whatever they want and even if it wants to destroy them, let it go ahead since it destroys the buyers’ bodies not other people’s. That argument supposes that wrong should be allowed and even endorsed by law since I hurt just myself by my actions and not others. I would also point out that while we advocate for this seeming ‘freedom’ we do not realise that we slowly destroy society. Hear, homosexualism and its attendant brothers will leave mankind worse off.
    Humanists are pushing these ideologies through books, movies, news media, etc and I can only beg us to see the handwriting on the wall. We have serious issues to deal with in Nigeria, let us not compound it with this unnatural and amoral way of life. Selah.

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    • you make some good points but none of them you have provided a background for. I think it is important that when we have conversation like this, we provide evidence of our facts. I have read your post and you have made many statement of facts but not one single backup evidence in terms of a quote, a paper or a citation. In that case, I will say that like I said in my paper, argument based on assumption are nothing but the weapon of feeble minded individual.
      I mean no harm.

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    • Yemie

       /  December 22, 2013

      @Chisom. These are glowing signs of the end times so there’s really nothing more to say, you’ve said it all and so much more. Let he who has ears, let him hear.

      @Walter, noone’s treating anyone like a leper as you said. When I first commented on this post, which everyone avoided like a plague, I knew EXACTLY what I was getting myself into and tried as much as I could muster; to air MY views as tactfully and diplomatically as I could, but that was my greatest undoing because rather than for the next one who commented to state his point and move on, he was spitting fire and you Walter, did not castigate him for that. Well, I’ve said my bit and am very satisfied, plus I make no apologies for it and I really couldn’t care less what anyone thinks. I’m entitled to my opinion afterall.

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      • ary

         /  December 22, 2013

        Hey Yemi, I’m glad you aired your view. If anybody has made you feel ‘attacked’ sorry oh. It’s good we’re having this conversation. And like you rightly said, your opinion is your opinion, kpomkwem. Nobody disputes that; but please think about this: our opinions sometimes hurt a lot of people, and we don’t even know it. Just as Walter has said, you don’t really know the emotional trauma these people pass through because of this, the self-hate, self-deceit, that comes from society’s attitude, which has, luckily, crystallized into a sort of solidarity and self-acceptance (not a lot of ‘these’ people survive anyway). And in the same vein, if someone has trampled on your Christian sensibilities by commenting to harshly, sorry, but still we can’t gloss over the fact our small brother with the cute smile and the bright future could be gay, and that we’d be doing him a grave injustice by saying simply, ‘God says no,’ as if it’s that easy.

      • Ary, you’re so on-point!

      • Yemi, I didn’t attack you oo. If you perceived so, my bad. And I was not even planning on airing my view until I saw Chisom’s comment. It’s appalling the way one lumps homosexuality in the same category as such perverse behaviours as paedophilia. One is horrific, the other is not. And frankly, I’m just too tired of constantly hearing people tout the bible as a standpoint for condemning this, when it’s convenient not to look at the bible concerning all other ‘sins’ it supposedly condemns. Its hypocritical.
        But this isn’t a fight. Again, I didn’t mean to attack you. My apologies if you felt targeted.

    • Janice

       /  December 23, 2013

      You are an uneducated nutbar! What have you read, besides maybe the bible and other falsities? You have built up a story in your mind! I’ll bet you didn’t even graduate from high school!

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  6. ary

     /  December 22, 2013

    An interesting paper, I must say. And yes, it’s ironical that people say, ‘homosexuality is Western culture, not ours,’ as if culture is hewed on rock, as if Christianity is not Western. The truth is that a lot of people who have a thing against homosexuality do not actually do so from a religious point of view; if we’d be sincere, our reluctance to ‘see’ these other people comes mostly from a place of, ‘men, he does men, urghhh,’ rather than any religious conviction. Really. Let’s be sincere ojare. And, if you’re gay or les, I wish you happiness. This country really can stifle happiness!

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    • Yemie

       /  December 22, 2013

      Thanks ary for all the points raised, and they’ve been duly noted too. Since I had the greatest misfortune of even looking at this post in the first place and then going ahead to add salt to that ‘injury’ by posting a comment, I think this is the point where I take a bow and draw the curtains on this conversation. Please feel free to keep the discourse alive y’all, my work’s done here. And to Hal, ‘naughty’ Anyibaba, Chisom12( my perosonal person), ary, Chika, ‘the greatest of the greatest of the greatest’, Mr Bisi Alimi and not forgetting the one who I like to describe as the ‘Bloggers’ Blogger and the Writer’s Writer’, Walter; I say Compliments of the Season and Happy Holidays! Peace out y’all, am outta here.

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  7. chika

     /  December 22, 2013

    Its all a matter of yardsticks, which do you use? I for one use the bible, and it says that men who lie with men are doing a wrong thing.

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  8. Nimushin Nikoyi Titidebadan

     /  December 22, 2013

    yemie & chisom….you are concerned that american homosexuals have become militant and force their views on the world- and gang up against people who disagree. If only you had the benefit of hindsight to travel back in time to 50 years ago when being gay was taboo in america and these people were oppressed the same way Africa now does. It has been a full swing to a time when they now feel compelled to stand up and speak out- even if forcefully. Yes there are powerful homosexuals in Hollywood- as there are in Nollywood or in Nigeria’s legislature or the African elite. But Africa is not yet at a stage where the issue can be addressed purely from an intellectual standpoint. We are very limited by our pseudomorality. it is unlikely that religious africans can easily be convinced to think otherwise. What i wish you know is that the average homosexual is not a politician or a lobbyist. The majority are just ordinary people who want to live without fear and persecution.

    Its funny how Robert Mugabe had to discover his own son was gay after asking that homosexuals be killed. It would be funny if yemie & chisom found out their bro or sis or any other relative or their pastor or whatever is a closet homosexual. those four fingers pointing back at you are more than the 1 you point out at others. equating homosexuality with sexual crimes against children is disingenious. If you are worried about the morals of homosexuals- God will judge them and judge you too. If we can not all live in safety and tolerate one another then none of us is safe.

    Bisi one day the world will celebrate your courage. I remember those days when we partied happily around Lagos before Nigeria became politically homophobic. I remember how you tied your shirt and stood out with your entertaining personality. I was that young doctor that used to attend those parties. But thats between us eh…

    Societies that suppress their talented and outspoken gay people will never exploit their full potential. The economic consequences of untapped gay talent are worth studying. But That is a chapter for another day….

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  9. Chisom12

     /  December 22, 2013

    Yemie, you are right, it is time to allow folks think on that which has already been said.
    Selah.

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  10. Marthy

     /  December 23, 2013

    I see that my When You’re Gay in Nigeria will make a lot of sense as follow-up to this post. I wish you all would get a copy of Fagothey’s Right & Reason by Milton Gonsalves. Read the section on Marriage and Family, and the bit on Sex. In my opinion as a philosopher, you can’t possibly make an argument for or against homosexuality if you haven’t read this book.

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  11. Michael

     /  December 24, 2013

    Nice viewpoints all, both pro and anti gay. I’ll put my persuasions in the back seat and approach this topic purely from a scholarly standpoint.

    All I see in this submission by Bisi are opinions, opinions and more opinions with no concrete evidence. In my brief years on earth, one thing I’ve learnt is that any part of culture, no matter how well hidden, always finds its way to the fore. If you share my views then I invite you to ponder why this particular part of our culture has remained hidden for so long, only for foreigners (who know little to nothing about our culture) to discover it for us.

    You mentioned the arts by way of support of such a culture, Bisi, but you failed to provide concrete evidence that such an art or group of arts exist. I know that Africans are wildly into pictorial representation, so if such a culture existed before the colonial era then arts must have been made about it. You also mentioned Igbo-Ukwu art specifically but failed to present evidence for such a notion.

    I believe that homosexuality exists in every human culture of every era but each culture and era also behave differently towards it. Yes, homosexuality must have existed in pre-colonial Africa but I believe Africans instinctively abhored it. My evidence? The complete lack of mention of such acts by African writers of old whether Christian or not. Drawing form this ‘evidence’, it will be wrong to assume that negative views of homosexuality was introduced into Africa by Christians.

    Now, a lot of us are in the village for the holiday seasons so I’d like us to take on a little research. There are a lot of traditionalist members of our various hometowns who aren’t ‘corrupted’ by Christian ideologies and most of them are old enough to know at least a part of local history. Instead of looking to foreigners for information on the sexual practices of our forefathers, the questions should be directed to these villagers.

    May God open our eyes to discern the whiles of the evil one and open our hearts to accept our faults and shortcomings.

    Merry Christmas

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    • ‘Our faults and shortcomings.’ Lol. Clever dig there, ei Mikey?

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      • Michael

         /  December 24, 2013

        *shrug*

        That the only thing you got?

      • Michael

         /  December 24, 2013

        You claim to be a Christian, Wally, and you claim to read the bible. That means you know what God’s words say about this whole issue. Forget about human judgment for a moment, if you may and concentrate strictly on God’s words. Go through the bible with and open heart and tell me you don’t see anything wrong in what you do and/or support. His words are painfully clear to all who seek to understand them. He created humans, male and female and in every single verse that He talked about human union, He always said ‘male and female’. He calls homosexuality and its sisters ‘ABOMINATIONS’, not just sins. He supposedly hates it so much that he destroyed two cities just because of it.

        Now I know that with the coming of, mercy and forgiveness became easy to obtain but isn’t mercy and forgiveness given to he/she who accepts that he/she has done something wrong and needs forgiveness? Or do you know of a place in the bible where mercy was given to the obtuse? Would you have mercy on one who admits to no wrongdoing? St Paul admits that God’s grace abounds in us but he went ahead to ask if we will wallow in sin just because of it.

        Now let me ask you a question; if a gay person repents and decides to live by God’s words, what does he become?

        The above sentiments are directed to my fellow struggling Christians. Kindly ignore if you’re not part of Christ’s covenant.

      • arinzeifeakandu@gmail.com

         /  December 24, 2013

        Dearest Michael, the fact that one is a Christian doesn’t mean that one must agree with every thing written in the bible (at least that’s my view, I don’t know of Walter). I have a sense of rightness, of ‘humanness,’ and I go by it. The bible asks us to stone the adulterous, asks women to keep quiet in religious gatherings, and so on. We can’t follow a good number of biblical stuff today because they could be criminal (try and stone the ‘fornicator’ in your neighbourhood today). Women today are actually pastors and evangelists, and (rightly so) nobody bats an eyelid. Why then do we gloss over all these things that we find no longer relevant, but then when it comes to human sexuality we become suddenly fiercely conservative?
        Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

      • I’m not going to get drawn into a theological debate. I’ve come to realize how easy it is for the anti-gay factor to climb the pulpit.

  12. Jade Alabi

     /  December 25, 2013

    @Michael- most people are still trying to figure out why Jesus Christ had nothing to say about homosexuality. Paul & the OT prophets did. The sins Jesus spoke about were religiosity;theft;adultery etc. Its either homosexuality was too sinful for Jesus to mention or its not a sin.

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  13. Chisom12

     /  December 27, 2013

    Michael, God bless you, you are not only wise, but a blessing to our generation.
    It is incredible how folks don’t have an understanding of scripture and how it reads. Perhaps we should all try reading the scriptures with deeper insight, we would then see how wrong we often are in our observations. I am sorry the Humanistic teachings and religion are making this kind of headway. God help us!
    If you are a Christian, please be one through and through. The word actually means Christ-like and Christ never supported all things homosexual and all other perversions. He is however more than willing to forgive and change the homosexual and grant him a place with Him in eternity.
    Hear, humanism is one of the most dangerous inventions of all times, its atheistic, amoralistic, socialist and darwinistic worldview will not only cause us heartache, it will indeed be the downfall of man as we know it. Homosexualism is wrong and evil.
    Selah.

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  14. ebuka

     /  December 28, 2013

    How interesting all this posts are. We get to learn everyday and we are also entiled to our own opinion. Well said and done I believe we all have conscience and whenever we do something wrong, our conscience will strike us like a hammer. Pls let this precious gift from God be the judge in this case. And we shld pls stop sexual discrimination among oueselves. Welldone to all that have contributed to this post. I’ve really learnt a lot. Cheers!

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  15. Uju

     /  January 2, 2014

    Being gay is sexual perversion. Up until the 1960s it was so defined in every legal system in the world. There have always been sexual perverts, even in Africa historically. the longevity of perversion doesn’t justify it. For example, bestiality has been long existing but still seen as perversion. What has happened with the gay movement is that as more and more people got into it they began to find ways to justify their actions, leveraging on past freedom fights like those against racial discrimination. And spare me the ‘born this way’ argument, has that stopped us jailing kleptomaniacs or sending them for psychiatric treatment? What’s good for the goose…

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    • I’d like to see you take this absolutely jaded stand when you discover your loved one is gay. it’s easy to spew such patronizing flapdoodle when you are far removed from the circumstance.

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